Tuesday, August 25, 2015

Soggy Vegetables? A "root cellar" from Norman Muller

13 comments :

Heather 570 690 4205 said...

Hello, I'm in Pennsylvania and need a specialist to examine the numerous stone piles on 3500 acres that I manage. We have documented over 119 stone piles with more than 50 being of cylinder style w/ crystal on top. The others are mounds or piles. There is also odd shaped layouts of rocks way too numerous to put a number on. There's stone walls with crystals in them, and winding rows of rock, short walls that seem to work with sun, etc. .. your site seems to have numerous articles concerning what we don't understand. Atlantic Sunrise is trying to find a path across the property and plans on going thru numerous mounds. Question, should we be making arrangements for the possible dead ? I fear alot of history and family graves will be destroyed. Please call 570 690 4205

Tim MacSweeney said...

I was going to suggest finding a Tribal Historic Preservation Officer, but find in Pennsylvania: There are currently no THPOs in this state.
http://www.nathpo.org/State_Laws/Pennsylvania.htm

Perhaps the United South & Eastern Tribes? http://www.usetinc.org/

Tim MacSweeney said...

United South & Eastern Tribe  
Non-Profit Organization
Address: 711 Stewarts Ferry Pike # 100, Nashville, TN 37214
Phone:(615) 872-7900

Rob Buchanan said...

Try contacting the New England Antiquities Research Association (NEARA www.neara.org)Pennsylvania State Coordinator, Larry Mulligan.

Larry Mulligan
1562 Osbourne Ave
Roslyn, PA 19001
215-896-4475

PA-coord@neara.org

Tim MacSweeney said...

Glen Mellin writes: "Hello, Heather, if a permit is required, the "regulators" have the option of requiring a Cultural Resource Management (CRM) survey to locate and identify cultural resources. The CRM firm should determine if any finds are significant or not. Stone circles, cylinders, walls of all sorts, piles etc. are not random natural occurrences, they are almost certainly cultural. The larger question is this: are these finds Colonial or Native in origin? We could debate the meaning of such finds all day, but that debate should be an interpretive debate and not a defining aspect of whether these are Cultural or Natural. The "regulators" have the option of declining a CRM survey where they determine low probability of Cultural Resource and a "no adverse affect" to important cultural resources would be signed by the "regulators". The major problem or protection and investigation lies with the "regulators" assumption these things are Colonial or Historic (read field clearing piles of discarded stones) and are of little or no cultural value, hence, these things rarely if ever get recorded or protected. I have seen stone arrangements that have great potential to be ceremonial, sacred, and cosmological, potentially (read likely) depicting various forms of ancestral Native American worldviews. If that is the case, then I would promote a level of cultural significance at the highest level--they should be preserved, studied, and the governments need to hire "regulators" who are willing to do their job instead of had out permits. However, this is likely not to happen in my lifetime. Honestly, what is happening right now is that a few interested private individuals are documenting these stone things and other cultural topics on their own time and with their own limited resources. I'm an Archaeologist/Ethnoecologist, but I like stones features too. As with most things that are not priority, we will likely loose most of these stone features before the "regulators" figure out that they are important. As far as human remains being associated with some of your stone features--sure, why not? Stone features are monuments--monuments from other worldviews not easily understandable by people who sit behind desks and move paper. Thanks, Glen in Delaware.

Norman said...

What a pleasure to find an open minded archaeologist talking sense instead of nonsense. I hope Glen comments more frequently.

Tim MacSweeney said...

Glen (and his wife Lenny Truitt) investigated those Clam Gardens on Pot Hook Creek.

Tim MacSweeney said...

I’d suggest contacting Johannes Loubser. He can be reached at 404-513-4900 or via his website
http://www.stratumunlimited.com/contact-us.html
This article, “Appraisal of a Piled Stone Feature Complex,” may be of interest: http://www.stratumunlimited.com/uploads/4/8/1/5/4815662/track_rock_article_-_maps_redacted.pdf

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Slickchick said...

This root cellar & brook is located where? PA? MASS? And what town? Thanks

Slickchick said...

This root cellar & brook is located where? PA? MASS? And what town? Thanks

Slickchick said...

The pic above showing the brook & "root cellar", where is this? PA? Mass? What town? Thanks

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