Correction: Bruce email'ed to say: "...used the term [Thunderbird Nest] loosely with you but never assumed you thought I was really serious about this. This is an offhand name I use for piles with a hollowed pit. I have no idea what their intended use was and also know you think they're just from pot hunters.".I would add that it is possible these are architectural features but sometimes they seem like clear examples of post contruction vandalism.
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Everytime I hear this, "Thunderbird Nest," terminology I can't help but wonder about its origins. Was it the creative invention of a researcher? Does it have some basis in ethnography? Are there any historical references for anything remotely related? Are there any traces of such a thing in Native oral tradition? Did this name, perhaps, come from Indians?
My problem is that without some sort of traditional or even ethnographical basis for the nature of these constructions, such a label as, "Thunderbird Nest," is wildly inventive and rather romantically contrived.
Furthermore, placing such a creative label on a feature that no one seems to even remotely understand yet may prejudice alternative hypotheses and the future development of coherent theories.
I don't mean to sound as if I am questioning Bruce's veracity or expertise. That is not my intent at all. His experience speaks for itself. But I definitely need to know more about such a label for these constructions before I can feel good about fully accepting it.
I agree completely. Bruce found the pile and said it and I was respecting his convictions.
I agree completely with Jim about this.
Norman
5-21-2012
So there is a consensus that "Thunderbird Nests" are horseshit.
But it is unfair of Bruce to characterize my position as being that I thought it was form vandalism. I always had the three hypotheses in mind as alternatives: "nests", "vandalism", or "architecture". I am firmly in the "architecture" camp now (2013) and have come up with arguments for it. Specifically: well-built inner spaces, and places where the pile is only a pavement but it has one or more well-defined outlines.
Most men on earth would immediately KILL any real Thunderbird who would appear out of fear. That is the real sadness about Thunderbirds of any age.
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